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  A Judicial experience.

  by John Aquila in

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  when i was an elder in the 80s, a 16 year old baptized jw girl had confessed that at school during lunch a boy kissed her and touched her privates over her dress.

  the circuit overseer was in town and we told him of the situation and he called the society and then told us that mother said we were not allowed to conduct the funeral in the kingdom hall or anywhere else with the threat of removing us and being dealt with judicially if we disobeyed.

  the mother who is about 79 years old comes once a year to talk to my mom about the situation.

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  umbertoecho

  
  

  It took a long time for me to wake up. A little over 40 years. The 607 Videos from Londo helped me wake up. I saw a lot of crazy things but I always compared the bad I saw to how ancient Israel had bad kings like Saul, Ahab, etc. Plus, my life was great in the borg. I was kind of wealthy, had a great marriage, popular, so no need to get out. When I finally woke up, which has been a little under 2 years, I lost everything.
  
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  Island Man
  

  I think we are on the same line of thinking.
  
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  A Judicial experience.

  by John Aquila in

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  when i was an elder in the 80s, a 16 year old baptized jw girl had confessed that at school during lunch a boy kissed her and touched her privates over her dress.

  the circuit overseer was in town and we told him of the situation and he called the society and then told us that mother said we were not allowed to conduct the funeral in the kingdom hall or anywhere else with the threat of removing us and being dealt with judicially if we disobeyed.

  the mother who is about 79 years old comes once a year to talk to my mom about the situation.

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  John Aquila

  When I was an elder in the 80s, a 16 year old baptized JW girl had confessed that at school during lunch a boy kissed her and touched her privates over her dress. It was brief and no clothes were removed. The three elders that met with her judicially, talked to her for three hours. What could these elders possibly talk to this sixteen year old girl for three hours???

  This girl came to my house at about 11 pm crying hysterically but couldn’t talk. I knew she met with the elders so I imagined she had been disfellowshipped. After about 30 minutes of crying she got her composure and told me something had happened at the Kingdom Hall with the three elders. I asked her what happened----- still thinking it was her being disfellowshipped. She said she didn’t want to talk about it tonight but she needed to do a few things first and then she would come and tell me what happened. She said she would come during the weekend and tell me what happened, which was still several days away.

  I didn’t think much about it. At the Thursday meeting the elders were informed that she was disfellowshipped and they were going to make the announcement that night, so I thought that’s what the girl was crying about. They announced she was disfellowshipped that Thursday night.

  Lately I’ve wondered why they didn’t give her the time or right to appeal.

  On Friday morning I got a call and was told this young girl was in a car accident. I went to the hospital and she was on life support. The doctor told the parents that she was brain dead. After a few days the parents choose to disconnect the machines and she died.

  The despair and anguish the parents were going through is beyond describing.

  The Circuit Overseer was in town and we told him of the situation and He called the Society and then told us that “Mother” said we were not allowed to conduct the funeral in the Kingdom Hall or anywhere else with the threat of removing us and being dealt with judicially if we disobeyed. I had just been appointed a few weeks as an elder. He also told us that the Book study conductors needed to remind the publishers that in order to please Jehovah they should not attend the funeral wherever it is held. He said a couple of elders needed to go tell the parents. I refused to go.

  The parents were without words.

  When the non-JW relatives found out the parents were refused a funeral talk, they went berserk. For the non-JW relatives it was no problem, the Catholics said the Priest would gladly do the funeral, the Agnostic said he would give the talk, others suggested several options.

  The parents then went to the elders to tell them one of the relatives was going to give the funeral talk. The elders told the Circuit Overseer who was visiting and He called the Society. The response from the Society was if the parents attended, they needed to be dealt with judicially. So the parents were told and it was another blow to them.

  The parents went and told the relatives they couldn’t allow it. The relatives lost it. From that day, that year, the relatives never talked to the parents again, until recently some started talking to the wife. It’s been about thirty one years since it happened.

  The elders that were in that judicial committee were in their fifties at that time. I heard two were dead and one is not serving as an elder and is ready to head on out also. There are a lot of stories about those elders, disgusting talk, but it’s just talk and I don’t want to repeat what I have no proof of. Plus the one that is alive is held in high esteem by many JWs.

  The young girl had an 18 year old JW brother. When the brother saw how the Organization treated his parents and how they acted towards his 16 year old little sister, he dissociated himself. For 30 some years his father has refused to talk to him. But his mother started talking to him a few years ago.

  Why?

  The mother who is about 79 years old comes once a year to talk to my mom about the situation. She has been mad for all these years regarding how they treated her and her daughter and the fact that it has cost her to lose the only other son she had. She still vents after all these years.

  Last year when I woke up, I asked my mom if the Boy who is DA is a drug addict? My mom said no. Is he a drunk? My mom said no. Is he is a womanizer? My mom said no.

  My mom said that He has been married about 30 years to the same woman; they have several good kids, and has provide very well for his family.

  I told my mom, do you think this man deserves to be killed by Jehovah because he left the organization because of the way they treated his parents and sisters? My mom right away saw the logic and said, NO!

  Do you think Jehovah is happy that the mother never gets to see her only son, and her grandkids just because this man refuses to come to some meetings? Mom says, that’s kind of ridiculous isn’t it?

  I told her, “How sad that the mother is losing out not just on being with her firstborn son, but also with her grandkids. She is 79 years old and has missed her firstborn’s son’s wedding, the birth of each grandkid, holding them in her arms, watching them grow up. Not hearing the words, “We Love You Grandma” and losing out on her son hugging her and saying, “I Love You Mom.”

  My mom started getting teary eyed.

  I said, “Mom, the accident took away her daughter, but the Organization has taken away her firstborn son and grandchildren. Which one caused more evil, the accident or the organization’s rules?

  The son is not an adulterer, he is not a drunk, not a fornicator, not a murderer, what more can a mother want from her children? What more can God want?

  A couple of months ago I’m finding out the mother is visiting her son and grandkids every so often. The husband is and elder but he can’t stop her. The mother is now sharing stories about her grandkids with my mom.

  Every time the mom sees me she makes it a point to say hi and smile at me. Even with my beard and even though she is aware I don’t go to meetings anymore she always waves and smiles.

  That little 16 year old girl would almost be about 48 years old if she was alive.
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  Oh the humanity, oh the irony!

  by oppostate in

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  this showed up on my fb feed today.

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  posted by an active very loyal jw..

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  John Aquila

  
  

  Merriam Webster Definition of Stupid;

  Not having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things : not sensible or logical

  Bible words

  (Leviticus 7:26) “‘And YOU must not eat any blood

  Jehovah’s Witnesses understanding.

  That means Blood fractions are ok-Right?

  Duh!

  
  
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  Baby steps taken with a grain of salt

  by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

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  2. experiences

  seeing how my jw wife nearly lost it when i woke up to ttatt and was df'd just over a year ago, she has been showing cracks in her armor.. 1. she has stopped pioneering to resume her good-paying career, working full-time.. 2. she suggested marriage counseling.. 3. she suggested going to a latin rap concert at a casino for our anniversary.. 4. when we reconciled recently and began living together as a family again, she agreed to alternate weeks of jw activity with the kids, one week doing the jw thing with her and the next week not doing the jw thing with me .

  5. she hasn't had perfect attendance at meetings or for field service since she started working full-time.

  just last night, she skipped meeting to help co-workers prepare food for an employee appreciation luncheon held today.

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  That's great, I've been following your story. Do you think your kids have been a asset in helping your wife to starting thinking?
  
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  The Marvster

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society WILL be dropped... I believe they'll eventually have to distance themselves from the 'WATCHTOWER', they already started by substituting

  I agree your idea Marvster, Little by little they are making changes and I believe they are setting the groundwork for making the change in 1914. Just not sure yet how they will pull it.

  umbertoecho

  but it's been said to me by those who are very much in, that the large assemblies are cancelled here in Australia.

  Wow, I didn't know that. That is a good thing. Before, the WT prided in saying that they would never cancel the great spiritual feast of food the conventions provided.

  FayeDunaway I didn't know you had lost your family. So I tell you what, Let's just sit back with some popcorn and watch it all come down and see our families come back to us.
  
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  JW_Rogue 6 minutes ago

  • 1914 will stay but they may drop the mathematical proof and just go with "the sign of the times"

  • Blood doctrine left as a conscience matter but strongly discouraged

  • Regional Conventions will get smaller and be held in JW owned properties

  • More appeals to emotions, practical advice from the Bible less emphasis on prophecy

  • 144,000 revealed to be a figurative number

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  • That sounds doable!
    
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  New Child Abuse Lawsuit

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  can't see this having been mentioned already - forgive me if i missed it and it is old news.. velicia alston brings lawsuit against watchtower (irwin zalkin representing):.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8nmgrvlmvxo.

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  John Aquila

  goingthruthemotions

  i truely despise the cult!!!!!!!!!

  I don't blame you. It is going down, just not as fast as we would like.
  
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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  You know the Organization is SLowly going down. Not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling. five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, Child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving. Hundreds of new ex-jw YouTube Videos, books, blogs, Vlogs and. recovery sites. Its been over 100 years since Jesus started ruling, and every month some nasty skeleton falls out of the Watchtower closet.
  

  What will the Watchtower look like in 30 years?

  Will there still be a Governing Body?

  Will they finally drop 1914?

  Will the blood doctrine finally be dropped?

  Will disfellowshipping be dropped?

  Will there still be Circuit Overseers, Elders, Pioneers?

  Will there still be Judicial Committees?

  Will they still have conventions 3 times a year?

  How many meetings will they have a week?

  Will they still go door to door preaching?

  Will they drop the name; “Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?”

  How many members will they have worldwide?

  Can you imagine in the year 2050 going door to door and preaching;

  “Hello, we here this morning announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom that started ruling in the year 1914”
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  New Child Abuse Lawsuit

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  can't see this having been mentioned already - forgive me if i missed it and it is old news.. velicia alston brings lawsuit against watchtower (irwin zalkin representing):.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8nmgrvlmvxo.

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  He said there have been 15 lawsuits throughout the country. I had heard there was hundreds? Which is it, 15 or hundreds?